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  Who has ever succeeded in getting an elder fired ( demoted )?

  by Chook in

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  it's nearly a job for life if you don't literally fu.. up..

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  A disfellowshipped individual was allowed to participate in a family event with involvement of many Witnesses.

  Some JWs couldn't just walk away; they had to make a scene. Elders in the know beforehand didn't advise the family that this was an affair for JWs in good standing only. They were not removed but rebuked and demoted.

  We, family, held nothing against the brothers because they had been "open-minded"; however, the strict sensibilities and delicate consciences of the pure ones had been so unconscionably violated.

  Action had to be taken. What a horrible mess it was.
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  The little things that made you feel guilty as a JW?

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  watching rated r movies?

  maybe a little gambling in vegas?

  when i was in high school i went to the mall with my friend at the time, who happened to be a female.

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  Singing at a Christmas concert I was invited to.

  I held it in for as long as I could during audience participation, but caved when the orchestra struck up "Hark the Herald Angels Sing."

  I sang, with the angels.
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  searching

  by dogisgod in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  can someone please help me find the video from the society regarding not advancing children's talents?

  it's about a child who is very good at something musical and has been invited to participate in a special advanced course but his father explains how that is worldly thinking.

  something along those lines..

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  I went to a conservatory of music and had my expenses paid for the first year. Prior to embarking upon my long-held dream of attending music school, I had begun studying with the Witnesses. You can imagine the disappointment and anger of non-Witness kith and kin when I quit my education and became a JW.

  What Sergei's dad says is not wholly untrue: the competition is tough, there are temptations, etc. Yet, only yesterday, I was feeling certain regrets. While preparing for a recording session of a vocal transposition I had made, I thought how much easier the entire process would be if I had finished my training. I am competent but not the brilliant pianist and composer and arranger I could have been. Who knows?

  Oh, well. I did receive the world's most comprehensive education at Awake! University instead . . .
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  Restrictions

  by snugglebunny in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  what kind of restrictions are people put under when their behaviour has been considered worthy of disfellowshipping but have managed to avoid the big "d"?.

  me (going back a bit):.

  1. never to be in the company of the lady unchaperoned although we were "betrothed".. 2. removed from ministerial servants position.. 3. not allowed to pray in the congregation at all, including book study.. 4. removed as watchtower study conductor.. 5. removed as public speaker and talks at service meetings.. 6. removed as pioneer.. 7. report to po once a month.. amazingly, i missed none of those things and relished the freedom from responsibility.

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  I don't want to discuss what led up to it (too painful and involved a family matter), but during book study I was not called on by the regular conductor even if mine was the only hand up. One Saturday morning, there were only three of us: the assistant conductor, a sister, and I.

  The assistant conductor said the opening prayer, read the paragraphs, said the closing prayer. I was allowed to comment. I asked him, a nice but evasive brother, why I couldn't read the paragraphs. I understood not doing the prayer. He said, somewhat nervously, that he hadn't heard me read before and felt he should handle it. Never once did the elders have a talk with me to say what was going on.

  Years later, in a different congregation, I was allowed to comment although a long-haired, bearded inactive member.
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  Have You Ever Found Yourself Really Not Liking Someone Here?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been on this board for years.

  99% of the posters here i do not personally know.

  a few, maybe not so much...lol..... do posters here get you upset to the point that you really don't like them?

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  Hey, minimus, you're cool!

  I put up a similar thread some time ago; it was not so much about posters' behavior but more about interest (or lack of) in certain subjects. Simon and others gave good answers. Not everyone is interested in all the subjects I put up, nor am I in theirs.

  Likewise, my personality doesn't jibe with that of every poster in cyberspace, nor with the personalities of people I know in day-to-day life. Gee, some of the nicest people I ever met I wouldn't necessarily want to spend a day with.

  In general, I find most here cordial . . .

  Oh! Now I remember one of my points from that earlier thread: Some here are very straightforward in their posts and "business-like," i.e., they don't address you by name and ask how you're doing. I sort of hearken back to pen pal days where you developed real friendships with folks you would never meet. Some friends here are FB and e-mail buddies.

  Know what I mean, minimus, re: all of the above?
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  BBC Medical soap features JWs and blood.

  by scotsman in

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  2. medical

  tonight's episode of holby city on bbc 1 starts a jw narrative that explores family estrangement and the blood issue.

  the outcome is explored again in a couple of weeks and is pretty favourable to the jws..

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  I remember a Dr. Kildare TV episode from the '60s where the young doc (Richard Chamberlain) gave a JW patient a transfusion, against her wishes. He was severely reprimanded by Dr. Gillespie afterwards.

  
  
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  The Rank Hypocrisy of JW Rank and File

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  wtf?

  russian jw mr novik is shown in full view on jw org wearing the "parental glory" badge with its prominent cross pattee on his lapel - and not one word of caution is sounded.

  similarly, jw forums are abuzz singing the praises of mr and mrs novik and their brood after they received the parental glory honor from no less than jw-oppressor, mr putin.. from the stinking gb heaven all the way down to the dusty rank and file, the hypocrisy is sky-high.

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  Thanks, steve2, for posting this, a reminder how "the times they are a changin'," particularly regarding a faith we scarcely recognize anymore.

  Too bad that many of us tossed items imbued with demonic vibes that threatened our spiritual lives, not to mention the menace posed towards our physical well being, too.

  Best.
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  The Rank Hypocrisy of JW Rank and File

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  wtf?

  russian jw mr novik is shown in full view on jw org wearing the "parental glory" badge with its prominent cross pattee on his lapel - and not one word of caution is sounded.

  similarly, jw forums are abuzz singing the praises of mr and mrs novik and their brood after they received the parental glory honor from no less than jw-oppressor, mr putin.. from the stinking gb heaven all the way down to the dusty rank and file, the hypocrisy is sky-high.

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  Yes, waton, I was sure there had to have been some local historical society ruling here. Re: the detachment, Bethelites, as well as other JWs, have toured different countries ("lands") and visited cathedrals.

  Thanks for your observation.
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  The Rank Hypocrisy of JW Rank and File

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  wtf?

  russian jw mr novik is shown in full view on jw org wearing the "parental glory" badge with its prominent cross pattee on his lapel - and not one word of caution is sounded.

  similarly, jw forums are abuzz singing the praises of mr and mrs novik and their brood after they received the parental glory honor from no less than jw-oppressor, mr putin.. from the stinking gb heaven all the way down to the dusty rank and file, the hypocrisy is sky-high.

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  You're welcome, problemaddict 2, but credit goes to Ray Franz, whose courage helped to set us free.

  Best WIshes.
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  The Rank Hypocrisy of JW Rank and File

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  wtf?

  russian jw mr novik is shown in full view on jw org wearing the "parental glory" badge with its prominent cross pattee on his lapel - and not one word of caution is sounded.

  similarly, jw forums are abuzz singing the praises of mr and mrs novik and their brood after they received the parental glory honor from no less than jw-oppressor, mr putin.. from the stinking gb heaven all the way down to the dusty rank and file, the hypocrisy is sky-high.

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  compound complex

  • "I recall that when the Watch Tower Society purchased a former motion picture theatre in Queens, New York, for use as an assembly hall, the theatre had an ancient Egyptian motif throughout. Over the marquee, the front of the building had large tiles depicting various Egyptian gods and goddesses, one even carrying the CRUX ANSATA. The inside contained other items, including lotus flowers, having religious connotations in Egyptian beliefs. When the Watch Tower renovated the building all these items were left unchanged. After a few years, a friend of ours from the Dominican Republic attended a Gilead School graduation there as our guest. She was struck by the pagan symbolisms and expressed her upset to me, saying that she would not have known what the meaning of these things was had she not read of them in the Watch Tower's own publications. [52] She could not harmonize the strong, negative statements made in the publications with this apparent tolerance. I felt obliged to write President Knorr, pointing out that my concern was primarily for her (and others who might feel as she did). Knorr came down to my office and argued the matter, saying that the items were simply decorations and that, for example, he didn't think that people looking at the lotuses would attribute a sexual connotation to them [bold added]. He asked if I thought we could not even make use of a Catholic translation because it might have a cross on its front. I told him that I was not hypersensitive about such things, but I thought that we had an obligation to be concerned if there is an adverse effect on others, that if we set forth a particular standard for others then people have a right to expect us to live by it ourselves. Not long afterward the tile depictions of gods and goddesses were painted over. The inside of the building remained essentially the same. More recently the Watch Tower purchased the large Bossert Hotel in Brooklyn. It has gargoyles ornamenting the outside. These, too, are viewed by the organization as inconsequential decorations, void of any serious significance. As I found true in so many cases, stringent requirements placed on Witnesses of the "rank and file" suddenly seemed capable of great relaxation when the organization's own interests were involved."

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    52 See, for example the book What Has Religion Done for Mankind?, pages 106 to 119.

    IN SEARCH OF CHRISTIAN FREEDOM, Legalism-Opponent of Christian Freedom, Ray Franz, pages 274, 275.

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